The Church and State Dream – TRANSCRIPT December 19-23, 2020
So here it is. it’s a dream that I had
December 19th through the 23rd of this
year. I saw the United States Capitol building
and it was fully lit up.
and the tower parts had large arms, like
human arms, attached to it.
the arms were muscular and they had
short sleeves and
very rough looking hands. when I say a
rough looking hands I mean
hands that had worked the ground. hands that
had been on a plow or working with
machinery. in other words,
hard working hands, the building was also
the capital was also flying the
flag that Betsy
Ross designed, with 13 stars in a
in the top left hand corner. so I knew
this had to do with the starting of
across from the congressional building
was a traditional style
looking church. it also had arms attached
to the steeple.
the arms were very muscular and very
similar the arms of the capitol building.
both had rough hands and arms that knew
work. you can see
the veins popping out, the muscles, the
work. these were hands that were not afraid to
get themselves dirty or work hard.
and they had short sleeve
work shirts on.
the hands were not necessarily dirty but
they obviously were dry and cracked.
and obviously [the hands had] been working in the fields
or on equipment something like. that so
you get the idea these hands have been
behind the church there were standing
religious leaders that were wearing,
I saw like several catholic cardinals.
I saw early 1900s and late 1800 style
preachers with the
with the long black coats and Bibles
in their hands.
behind the Capitol building there were
some older style congressmen.
if you met Colonel Sanders that
dressed kind of like Colonel Sanders
older style southern northern you know
professional dress. but they seemed older,
the clothing did, but they also
also seemed very professional.
and each group was cordial towards each
other at the beginning of this dream.
the hands shook. the state
hands shook the church hands. and they seemed to get along. they stood
in their location. they were respecting
sides, supporting each other as well. and
then the sky began to move and shift and
change. it would look like,
like a scene from the HG Wells The Time
Machine. where this
the sky, the day is going faster and
faster and faster. and finally as it’s
changing, [the] time has changed, [the] time shift becomes a
little bit more modern in that regards.
as the scene slowed down I noticed the
Capital building arms were now
long sleeves and they had very expensive
cufflinks gold cufflinks with diamonds
all over –
obviously very very expensive cufflinks.
and the hands were no longer rough, they
were very soft and
had manicured nails. looked
like they had not
touched an ax or a shovel or been in the
dirt for any amount of time at all.
the roughness was entirely gone to. the
building, the Capitol building, was well maintained [and]
very well lit. both buildings were very
but it looked as if they’d been taken
care of and polished.
the church appeared to have the same
kinds of muscled arms with rough hands
and they seemed dry and cracked.
and those hands were in constant
motion but no sleeve,
no cufflinks, just they appeared to be
very similar what they were
from the scene I had seen earlier. the
put their hands together firmly like
this popped their knuckles.
and pointed at the church in a very
and the church hands they just kept
moving and working.
there was even blood on their hands. and
I think in a sense like from sacrifice.
the sacrifice, the hard work they had
done, was causing their hands to crack
and they were working on something. the
Capital hands then went up like this
like to stop the church from moving
forward. and the church
stopped in its tracks. and the and the
church hands were moving like, hey we got
to get by here, we need to get by you, we
need to get past you, we’ve got work to
do, there’s a Gospel to preach.
they weren’t saying those things but the
hands were indicating as if they needed to
get by the Capitol.
so the church tried to move by and the
Capital moved over and stood right in
its way and put his hands up like this.
the church started to go around again
and the Capital pushed him down
to the ground. so they go in the dirt. and
church wipes itself off, gets up tries to
walk by again, and he got pushed down one
but the church wasn’t backing down.
the church was cut. they’re trying to
look around see what’s going on. trying
to figure out they want to get by.
and so they’re walking back up.
they were not backing down or you know
they weren’t stopping from the ground.
but each time they got up, they just kept
coming back towards the state
or the Capitol. now the people behind
they were very timid – very very worried.
because the people standing
behind the Capitol building they were
grimaced and arms folded and just
looking like you can’t move, you don’t
need to do anything,
what’s going on, you know, you just can’t
move, you’re gonna stay right there.
then I saw the church do this, popped his
and they set its face towards the area
behind the Capitol and just tried to
walk by the states.
and this time that the church said
strongly, “we need to get by and we’re
going to do it right but we must be
allowed to pass.”
and the state simply said, “not on our
that was the response of the state. so
now both sides
have their faith, have their
pastors set, to do what they’re doing. you
know, or both sides are going to
do what they’re going to do.
the state then grabbed the church by the
pushed it back and down. but the church
got back up and pushed back against the
state. so it’s starting to get violent.
the church bent itself down, leaned into
the state, and put his back foot down. it
literally braced itself
on the ground and pushed forward. and
they were both straining against each
other. as they were pushing and contending and
wrestling almost like a like a wrestling
match, one of the capital arms slipped a seed
just a very very dark almost black type
seed into the back pocket of the church.
at the same time some of those standing
behind the church
saw the hustle and bustle and they moved
over to stand behind
the building the Capitol building. the
Capital then said,
“the church needed to stand down” but the
church said “we won’t.”
so there was a standoff. and as the
standoff is going on looking each other
and kind of pushing each other,
this large thorny vine was growing out
of the back pocket of the church.
it was coming up behind around the back
wrapping around the body of the church,
wrapping around the building of the
going up into the arms of the church and
trying to wrap around the neck and even
trying to go down the throat
of the church. and when the capitol
building saw this it just kind of
and went like this, like it could go on
by. now the flowers on this vine were red,
just a very very
bright almost blood red.
and they were biting the church. and they
were wrapping around the legs of the
church. and it kept growing. and once
again as I said it went into the mouth
of the church went down his throat and
was trying to surround his heart.
so by this time the capitol building is
not even concerned about the church.
they’re not even looking.
they’re just doing their own thing
over there. but the church, the church
building itself, I realize that this
moment has a left arm that is red,
blood red, almost like the color of the
of the vines.
the right hand of the church is a white
hand now not like white skin like of a
white Caucasian person but just like
white paper. you know…
a piece of paper … kind of
so the distinction – it has nothing
to do with the color of people. It has to do
with just the purity I guess,
the leaves on this vine that appear like
the flags also have
these unusual symbols on them. and that
left hand the white hand is trying to
pull the vine
the right hand the left hand is trying
the red hand is trying to slap away the
white hand to keep the white hand from
pulling off the vine. the
red hand is trying to protect
the vines going around the church. so
this results in a fight. and the two
hands are trying to protect, one’s trying
to protect the church, while one’s trying to
strip it from the church.
as the struggle continues the Capital
just looks at the church,
trying to assess the strength. but it’s
over there handing out money and signing
bills. it’s shaking hands. and it’s
shaking hands with business leaders
and professional looking people from all
the different nations –
different nationalities and that sort of
at this moment the church begins to
shake violently like it was having a
grand mal seizure.
and the chest kind of opened up and
revealed this heart that had been
almost to death by this vine. the heart
was beating barely.
the white hand took a knife [that]
just kind of appeared in his hand. It took a
knife and pierced
the root wrapped around
that heart – the vine root.
and that vine automatically began to
wither. it just almost like the life went
out of it. and it fell away from the
heart. and the heart went back to its
normal size. and was pumping like it
should have –
should be pumping. the red hand made a
fist and punched the steeple,
doing this. tried to grab the white hand
but its strength was fading.
it was letting go and finally just
dropped to the side
the left side of the church. and the
church took a few steps but his strength
and it dropped down to the ground on his
knees. and that white hand just kind of dropped
to the side.
then both hands came up.
red hand’s kind of gone now. they’re both
the white kind of hands.
it unbuttons the shirt and it falls to
and the church asks forgiveness for
allowing that red root to grow
in his heart. and then that Christ figure
that I’ve seen in so many the visions and
appeared. and he just embraced the church.
he pulled he pulled the
the building towards himself so the
Christ figure was facing ahead at the
Capitol building. and the church he was
holding on to like this was looking
behind, behind Jesus.
and he suddenly pointed at the states
the Capitol building.
and he said, “you never wanted the church
to succeed. but the gates of Hell will not stop her.
and those who have seen the root will
prune the vine and cut off the poisonous part.”
and then he let go of the church and he
kind of pulled her out to his side.
and he said he pointed to the church and
he said, “be about my Father’s business.
stay pure. and fear not the state
for they know not what they do.”
and the church then slowly walked past
the Capitol and all the people who were
standing with it,
including some religious figures. It
got just a few yards past the
Capitol building the states
and then it just took off running. I mean
took off running.
both hands that were now white,
were up like this as the church was
running. not a fighting position.
they were open. and they were like
sharing things – information, spreading the
but laying at the feet of the Capital
was the root of that seed – [that was]
planted [in] the church’s back pocket. and it
looked to me like a, if you can imagine a,
sweet potato that is just blood red, deep red.
it looks like it’s maybe rotted. that’s
what it looked like.
and then the Christ figure appeared once
again and said clearly
these words, “stay braced.
stay focused. and stay on task
for I am coming soon.”